4.24.2008

Wright makes his first ad appearance, as everyone has something to say about Obama's electability

The North Carolina Republican Party has decided to produce and air (supposedly over the objections of the RNC) an ad blasting the state's two Democratic gubernatorial candidates for supporting Obama in the wake of Wright (you can watch the ad here). This ad starts one of the most discussed clips from a Wright sermon in which the pastor says "God damn America;" the bottom half of the screen describes Wright as "Obama's 'spiritual mentor' for 20 years." The ad goes on to announce that gubernatorial candidates Moore and Perdue are both supporting Obama and concludes them to be too extreme for North Carolina.

This ad is bound to be controversial, if only because it is I believe Wright's first appearance in a television ad that will get air time; it thus serves as the prelude to a crucial Republican strategy in the coming months. No matter how much the RNC and the McCain campaign profess to not want this ad to air, there is no question that many third-party groups will blast Obama with similar images. Another reason the ad is sparking a lot of controversy is its quite awful race-baiting, pointed out by Politico's Jonathan Martin. The ad places the focus on a picture of Obama with Perdue, a white woman, while the picture of Moore shows him alone; towards the end of the ad, the Perdue picture grows and Moore's recedes. You might remember that Republicans had already been accused of playing on the fear of interraciality in 2006 in Tennessee's Senate campaign featuring Harold Ford.

The ad is introduced in a context of heavy discussion of Obama's electability. Now that Clinton's main hope to clinch the nomination is to convince superdelegates that Obama is unelectable, his standing among white men, blue-collar voters and Catholics and his prospect of boosting African-American turnout are being closely examined; his verbal gaffes are fueling discussions about his prospects in November;and articles being penned about how Obama has become the "next McGovern." Odds are that this discussion is coming too late for it to meaningfully weaken Obama's hold on the nomination, but the discussion should certainly proceed. The answer to these questions will determine Obama's fate in November.

The Republican Party is clearly hoping that it can make Obama unelectable among white voters by using Wright's sermons as a rally point; these also allow them to race-bait while hiding behind a facade of patriotism. There will surely be a lot more where this came from, and Obama is going to have to weather those attacks convincingly.

But one thing has to be pointed out: There is for now no evidence anyone can give that Obama is suffering from an insurmountable electability problem; nor, for that matter, that Clinton is. Polls show both Democrats have weaknesses, and both have strengths; Hillary Clinton and Obama looking like the stronger candidate at differing times and in different states (just take a look at SUSA's latest wave of general election polls). In other words, these questions have not yet been answered conclusively.

This is why I ultimately find the North Carolina ad so surprising: Republicans might wish that running ads associating gubernatorial candidates to the Obama campaign would hurt down-the-ballot Democrats, but where are they getting the information that it will actually hurt them? If anything, Moore and Perdue probably want voters to see pictures of them associated with the Obama campaign; perhaps the GOP will succeed in making Obama radioactive by November, but it is absurd to treat the Illinois Senator as if he were George W. Bush. You might remember that, in the March special election in IL-14, the Democratic candidate ran ads featuring Obama; sure, this was his home-state, but IL-14 was a very red district. Foster won, and he clearly had no qualms about running on Obama's coattails.

The same argument applies to those who are certain that Clinton will drag down-the-ballot Democrats down. There is no evidence that Clinton runs worse than Obama in red states; if anything, most polls agree she motivates the Democratic base more even in deeply Republican areas. Such a disingenuous discussion of electability comes to us (as often) from Kos, who has become one of the most virulent anti-Clinton bloggers; yesterday, he wrote a post listing a very selective set of polls all showing that Obama is more electable than Clinton and concludes, "she runs behind Obama in the general." Any one who has read this site regularly knows that is not a conclusion that can be drawn that easily. Kos lists last week's SUSA polls from IA and MN, for instance but conveniently forgets too mention that the same day SUSA released surveys from OH and MO showing Clinton running 16 and 9 points ahead of Obama, respectively; not to mention all the polls suggesting that Obama would struggle tremendously in Massachusetts. Once again, this is not too say that Clinton is more electable than Obama but that it is partisan spin to herald as evidence of Obama's superior appeal a few carefully selected surveys.

But it is one thing for both sides to spin their own candidate's electability and their opponent's unelectability. It is quite another for the North Carolina Republican Party to try to hurt Moore and Perdue by stupidly highlighting their association with Obama when such an association probably helps them.

Clinton's hope must be that superdelegates take the bait and, afraid that these types of ads multiply across the country in the coming months, jump on the Clinton electability bandwagon. This was the same hope after bittergate when the NRCC was taunting Democratic representatives. It did not happen then, but this is obviously the type of events Clinton needs if she wants to change the tide.

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17 Comments:

  • The tide has already changed. The media has learned that Obama's shiny exterior may not be armor, but cellophane. These ads may well prove or disprove his viability.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 14:26  

  • Taniel two points :

    1. The NC GOP are doing this as an out-rider for the national party to see if this line of attack has any impact. It will be interesting to see GE polls from NC to see if Obama weakends. The latest ones showed him tied with McCAin, and Clinton 10 points behind McCain. If Obama's numbers weakened then this ad may have something to do with it.

    2. I disagree with your following comment
    "The same argument applies to those who are certain that Clinton will drag down-the-ballot Democrats down. There is no evidence that Clinton runs worse than Obama in red states; if anything, most polls agree she motivates the base more even in deeply Republican areas."

    It doesn`t seem to make logical sense - you say there is no evidence that she adversely effects down ticket candidates but then say she motivates the GOP base more.
    I think there is evidence that she does worse in red states. She is weaker than Obama in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas and Colorado.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 15:04  

  • I think the evidence is on Taniel's side. NC will shift to favor Hillary shortly I believe.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 15:08  

  • Guy,

    I meant to say the Democratic base. I believe the Republican base will be as motivated against Obama as for Clinton, with polls suggesting that the racial factor could play a role in the South. Sorry about the confusion.

    By Blogger Taniel, At 24 April, 2008 15:31  

  • Thanks for clearing it up but I disagree that the GOP base will be quite as anti-Obama as it is for Clinton. There has been 16 years for the GOP base to be feed stories by Fox News etc about the Clinton's to build up ill feeling. With Obama they have less than 1 year.

    I do not dispute the GOP will try their best but to get an irrational hatred of someone takes time.

    Also I would be absolutely amazed if Obama didn`t win by at least 10% - for most states it comes down to demographics. Wright etc didn`t give Hillary a blow out victory in PA with its blue collar voters.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 18:37  

  • no reason HRC or BHO won't motivate the Dem base. Question is does HRC also motivate the Repb. base more?(I agree with above post,yes) And what about the millions of new registrations Obama has put on the rolls as well as appeal to Independents?He will need all of these and maybe then some to overcome the racism in the GE.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 19:19  

  • I think that the problems that Obama has now has made it easier for the GOP base to rally behind McCain, but I don't think that this means that Obama is now weaker in the general election than Clinton. Clinton is better at holding the Northeast and going after the traditional big swing states of Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Obama is weaker in the northeast (esp MA and NJ) and weaker in the big swing states (especially Flordia, Obama's biggest problem is that Florida nearly a safe McCain state thanks to Florida dems blaming him for possibibly not allowing the Florida Delegates to be seated) but he brings into play several smaller GOP leaning states, especially ND but also CO, NV and maybe MT, AL, basically the western states. What is I see is that if Clinton is the nominee (and Obama's supporters dont' get massivly upset over her likely winning it despite being behind in PDs) the electoral map will look similar to 2000 and 2004 except Arkansas and West Virginia would be in play for Clinton and maybe one of the big swing states (ie either Florida or Michigan). An Obama map could likey have him lose NJ and maybe MA (althrough I think that would be a big longshot as most dem in that state at least will probably come back to him) and lose two of the big swing states (he can't lose 3 or all 4 or he can't win) and pick up SC and some of the western states. Very intestesting in indeed.

    Oh and on the Wright Ad, at the moment I don't think that it will hurt the NC gov candiates but it it's important to see how Obama handles this. If the GOP leaning independent groups use Wright alot and it helps McCain win the WH, McCain would have immmsense problems getting anything done because of p/o democrats, especially from the Black Caucus. Of course I think that the GOP will want to win first and not think of what comes after.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 19:31  

  • As the NC primary will have Perdue running against Moore- and not Perdue and Moore running against the GOP candidates for governor, it makes no sense to run this ad now, rather than before the general election. Dems in NC cannot vote in the Rep primary and thus can only pick Perdue or Moore. This odd timing seems to support the idea, that despite denials, this ad is a test run for the national election in November.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 21:16  

  • The question today has been why hasn`t Obama taken down Clinton. Maybe the question should now be can Clinton take Obama down? If she wants to win the nomination her best chance is to win both states on May 6th. Winning North Carolina would be an upset but so would have been Obama winning PA. The demographics favor him in NC just as they favored her in PA. If she wants to break the stalemate and take positive steps to winning the nomination then she needs to win. She has dispatched her top state director who ran her CA and TX campaigns - so she is serious about it.
    Lets see what happens in 12 days time!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 21:17  

  • Completely agree - the ad is running as a test. NC is a perfect place demographically to do it (like TN and VA would be too) and the timing is great since NC is now the center of the political world for 2 weeks. McCain disavows it so independents etc don't get turned off and the national GOP learns the lessons from the success or otherwise of the ad. Plausible deniability.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 24 April, 2008 21:20  

  • jaxx razor, where is the evidence that Obama will put any of the traditional red states n play? New voters or not, it will be a shock if Obama were to win traditional Republican strongholds like ND, MT or AL. I am from Virginia, and I assure you, once the GOP turns its guns on Obama, and the narrative turns to "black liberal from the north" he will have a snowball chance in hell to win the state. And I am afraid that will be the same in al the conservative southern states that he has won in the primaries. He will not win one, not a single southern state in Nov. He will have a chance in New Mexico and Nevada, but I think so would have Hillary or any other democrat for that matter. The general election being an exercise in getting 270 electoral votes, by wining 50 simultaneous elections, is a lot different that the primary season, in which he gammed the system by out organizing Hillary in caucus states. Less that 10% of the register voters showed up to vote in the caucuses, mostly activist. He will need far more than tat to crack those red states away from John McCain. It is depressively evident to me, that Obama in the long run will be more McGovern than JFK. I am convinced that most of the activists from the left are misreading the country. This is a right of center country as we speak. While we engage in this inane and fruitless self-indulgent exercise of "online speculation", sip coffee and claim to understand our fellow Americans, there is a great unwashed out there. Simple hard working fellows, afraid for their jobs and without time to sit in front of a computer to exchange BULL! Joe six pack. And Joe six pack is not voting for Obama. Pennsylvania and Ohio clearly establish that.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 25 April, 2008 07:35  

  • Again on the Rev Wright ad in NC.
    Several NC tv stations have decided not to run the ad as they consider it too "inflammatory". One of these stations is WRAL in Raleigh. There is a beautiful irony about this decision that thus far seems to have been missed by the media. WRAL was the tv station at which Sen. Jesse Helms got his political start- spewing out hateful editorials against North Carolinians who supported integration in the 1960s.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 25 April, 2008 08:17  

  • He did not game the system - caucuses are perfectly valid ways of deciding nominees. The rules were known before the voting started and have been in place for years. Also the caucus states have a small number of delegates because they are usually smaller, red states.
    Clinton should have put Obama away on super Tuesday - but she only managed a 10% win CA and several other disappointing results like 15% in NY even though Obama did much better in his own home state. She had plenty of money, big name surrogates, a political machine and "inevitability" and yet couldn`t knock him out in Feb.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 25 April, 2008 08:25  

  • That is perfectly correct Mike, Hillary had all the opportunities in the world to put Obama away and she did not. And that is a perfectly meaningless point. The heart of my comment is not directed to the Obama-Clinton battle, but to the much larger issue of electing a democrat president in November. It is almost comical how we sit in front of the computer and solve the electoral dilemmas facing the country. Still, since we are at it.....my point is that all this pie in the sky, "Obama will put Montana (3 electoral votes (EV)), or North Dakota (3 EV), or South Dakota (3 EV) in play", is ridiculous. He not wining any of those states, he is not winning VA, or SC, or NC, or AL, or MO. Name one big red state that Obama puts in play? Texas? Please. That is patently ridiculous! On the other hand, it is quite possible that Obama will be playing defense in places like PA, or MA, or even MN and WA!!! You folks are so self absolve, that you fail to look at things the way others do. Because you or I, find Obama a perfectly acceptable candidate, despite ideological bend and ethnic background, others don't. And you refuse to see this huge elephant in the room. Question for you: When was the last time that this country elected a northern liberal to the presidency? Just mention one! Dare you! Prediction: all this reverent Wright, and the Weather Underground unrepeated former terrorist Ayers, and the lapel Flag will be hanging around Barack like an albatross. The republicans will pound this over and over and over. And in an election that will probably be fought at the margins, it will be important. You go on ad sip your wine and late coffee. Joe six pack will decide this election. And he is not voting for Barack.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 25 April, 2008 12:12  

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