Rules and Bylaws Committee: One more attempt to resolve FL and MI
On May 31st, the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee meets to address challenges to its treatment of Florida and Michigan's delegations and discuss possible resolutions. Such questions will soon be referred to the convention's credential committee, and it was widely expected that the DNC would simply refer any decision to that not-yet-operational committee. Instead, the RBC accepted to listen to Florida and Michigan's petitions. On Saturday morning, the RBC will listen both the state parties and those who brought the challenge forward (Senator Levin, who has long fought the primary calendar, will speak on Michigan's behalf); the two campaigns will also present their demands and their positions.
The two questions that need to be addressed are: First, should Florida and Michigan superdelegates be seated independently of what is decided about the pledged delegation? Second, what shall be done with the pledged delegates and how much weight should be given to the January 15th and January 29th votes?
The Clinton campaign has a lot riding on this meeting. Not only do they need to score a big net gain of delegates to keep the race close enough that they survive the first week of June but they want to legitimize their efforts to count Florida and Michigan in the popular vote. The campaign insists they are ahead in the popular vote counting the FL and MI results, and it will be more difficult for the Obama campaign to retort that totals from these two states should not be counted if they agree to allocate some delegates based on their results at the RBC.
Both candidates have their supporters on the committee which makes it virtually impossible that Clinton would get her full wish: That both delegations be fully seated, be given full voting rights and that they be allocated according to the January votes. The Obama campaign -- whose position right now is to split the delegations equally -- has signaled its willingness to meet "halfway," which could mean granting Hillary half of the pledged delegate leads she earned in January. Today, Clinton's options were reduced further and Obama's position was strengthened when the Democratic Party's lawyers issued a legal memo explaining the DNC could not fully seat the delegations and that it had to settle for reducing its voting rights by half -- which is roughly the punishment the RNC imposed on Florida and Michigan, though that did not prevent McCain from sealing his nomination in the Sunshine state.
Note that even if Clinton did get her full wish granted it would leave her far from her rival, and far from the nomination. That is why I wrote that Clinton is trying to keep it close enough to survive the first week of June rather than overtake Obama's lead. If she had gotten the DNC to recognize some delegations back in January or February, she would have kept closer contact with Obama and might not have spent the next 4 months on the defensive, having to justify why she is staying in and defend her turf. That obviously did not happen, and Clinton is now simply trying to prolong the game.
Obama is very close to 2,026 right now and they are looking to secure enough superdelegates in the days following June 3rd to surpass that number. Having hundreds of new delegates thrown in the game as well as more uncommitted superdelegates will raise the number needed to secure the nomination, giving Clinton hope of keeping the nomination fight alone past the endorsement wave that will likely follow June 3rd and strengthening her VP claims.
In the midst of this showdown between the Obama and Clinton machines, it is important to remember that the DNC has a very different set of concerns: How to balance the need to represent Michigan and Florida at the convention with the fact that they broke the rules? The Democratic world is worried that, if Florida and Michigan's delegations are recognized, there will be no way to keep any order in the primary calendar and no incentive for states to recognize the rules. Even an RNC-style half-punishment could no be enough, given how important FL and MI were in the GOP nomination fight.
Update: Florida Democrats were hoping to force the DNC to seat their delegates by going through the courts, but a Florida judge just tossed out the lawsuit saying that parties have the right to make their own rules.
The two questions that need to be addressed are: First, should Florida and Michigan superdelegates be seated independently of what is decided about the pledged delegation? Second, what shall be done with the pledged delegates and how much weight should be given to the January 15th and January 29th votes?
The Clinton campaign has a lot riding on this meeting. Not only do they need to score a big net gain of delegates to keep the race close enough that they survive the first week of June but they want to legitimize their efforts to count Florida and Michigan in the popular vote. The campaign insists they are ahead in the popular vote counting the FL and MI results, and it will be more difficult for the Obama campaign to retort that totals from these two states should not be counted if they agree to allocate some delegates based on their results at the RBC.
Both candidates have their supporters on the committee which makes it virtually impossible that Clinton would get her full wish: That both delegations be fully seated, be given full voting rights and that they be allocated according to the January votes. The Obama campaign -- whose position right now is to split the delegations equally -- has signaled its willingness to meet "halfway," which could mean granting Hillary half of the pledged delegate leads she earned in January. Today, Clinton's options were reduced further and Obama's position was strengthened when the Democratic Party's lawyers issued a legal memo explaining the DNC could not fully seat the delegations and that it had to settle for reducing its voting rights by half -- which is roughly the punishment the RNC imposed on Florida and Michigan, though that did not prevent McCain from sealing his nomination in the Sunshine state.
Note that even if Clinton did get her full wish granted it would leave her far from her rival, and far from the nomination. That is why I wrote that Clinton is trying to keep it close enough to survive the first week of June rather than overtake Obama's lead. If she had gotten the DNC to recognize some delegations back in January or February, she would have kept closer contact with Obama and might not have spent the next 4 months on the defensive, having to justify why she is staying in and defend her turf. That obviously did not happen, and Clinton is now simply trying to prolong the game.
Obama is very close to 2,026 right now and they are looking to secure enough superdelegates in the days following June 3rd to surpass that number. Having hundreds of new delegates thrown in the game as well as more uncommitted superdelegates will raise the number needed to secure the nomination, giving Clinton hope of keeping the nomination fight alone past the endorsement wave that will likely follow June 3rd and strengthening her VP claims.
In the midst of this showdown between the Obama and Clinton machines, it is important to remember that the DNC has a very different set of concerns: How to balance the need to represent Michigan and Florida at the convention with the fact that they broke the rules? The Democratic world is worried that, if Florida and Michigan's delegations are recognized, there will be no way to keep any order in the primary calendar and no incentive for states to recognize the rules. Even an RNC-style half-punishment could no be enough, given how important FL and MI were in the GOP nomination fight.
Update: Florida Democrats were hoping to force the DNC to seat their delegates by going through the courts, but a Florida judge just tossed out the lawsuit saying that parties have the right to make their own rules.
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From Bloomberg News:
"The party's decision not to seat Florida and Michigan also is being challenged by voters in the courts. A U.S. District Court judge in Tampa today dismissed one of those complaints, siding with the DNC's argument that state parties must comply with the national party rules."
I'd forgotten about those suits. Hard to see the courts interfering with internal party affairs unless there are constitutional issues involving race or gender.
Many years ago, IIRC, the Supremes did address racial exclusion in the Texas Dem primary, when Texas was essentially a one-party state and the exclusion had the net effect of disenfranchising AAs from the general election, but despite all the spinning from the Clinton camp, there doesn't appear to be a similar issue here.
As a Dem, I'm concerned that Saturday can turn into a witches sabbath, with conflicting protesters shouting at one another, issuing dire threats, etc. You can foresee the clips on Youtube and the RNC sites. Voters may prefer Dem policies but they have a distinct lack of regard for the near-anarchic way we comport ourselves, witness Chicago 1968. It won't be as bad as that, but if we're trying to convince people that we're mature and stable enough to correct the damage caused by the Village Idiot, this won't help.
By Anonymous, At 28 May, 2008 15:59
A sensible solution would be to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates (at half a vote each, as pointed out by the lawyers), but refuse to seat the superdelegates from these two states. They're the ones who started this whole mess, and they're the ones that should be punished the most.
By Anonymous, At 28 May, 2008 16:04
Another solution would be to seat one quarter - i.e. they get seated but a sufficient deterrent for next time since you say that just halving them like the GOP did was not deterrent enough
By Anonymous, At 28 May, 2008 16:06
A sensible solution would be to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates (at half a vote each, as pointed out by the lawyers), but refuse to seat the superdelegates from these two states. They're the ones who started this whole mess
I don't see how the superdelegates who are elected federal representatives are necessarily responsible for the early voting. They're not members of the legislatures who set the dates or the state party leaders who may not have put up much of a fight.
Then again, I don't see much fairness in having Democratic representatives in Congress serving as superdelegates at all since it means that many voters in districts without Democratic congressional representation have less "representation" at the convention than voters that do. But that's another issue entirely.
By dsimon, At 28 May, 2008 16:23
Basically, Hillary's position boils down to an attempt to cause complete primary calendar chaos in every future election so that she can have some largely pointless and ineffective personal gain today. A prime example of why she is unfit for the Presidency.
By Anonymous, At 28 May, 2008 16:31
The old adage that keeps going in my head is that 2 wrongs don't make a right. The first wrong was that FL and MI's primary were held earlier than what was allowed (not pointing the blame, just stating the obvious).
Concerning MI, only Hillary was a viable candidate that was on the ballot (besides "none of the above"). The results from this fiasco should not be part of the equation on seating delegates. In FL, all candidates agreed not to even campaign in this state because of DNC rules (again, not passing blame). I don't see how we can use the election results to seat these delegates either.
I personally wished that both Michigan and Florida would hold state conventions and determine the allotment of the delegates, and then submit this to the DNC's credentials committe on the percentage to be seated. This is by far not democratic, but nothing else so far has been democratic. Of course, this too is too late to be considered.
My solution: seat only the superdelegates of these states. Anyway you award pledged delegates will be unfair.
By Anonymous, At 28 May, 2008 16:56
I think an honest compromise would be to seat both delegations in full, but give each delegate only half a vote (including supers). As for determining the composition of the delegations, in MI I think it should be split 50/50 because no contest there was even remotely valid. In Florida, the contest was invalid but not quite so ridiculous as MI, so I think a reasonable compromise would be to seat half the delegation based on the primary results and half the delegation as a 50/50 split.
Both states are punished, and we recognize the flawed primaries as invalid, but we allow them to participate in the process.
By Steve, At 28 May, 2008 17:05
Punishing the voters for the wrongdoing of their officials is just beneath contempt and cannot be considered. It doesn't matter anymore about whom it favors, the punishing of voters will only benefit McCain. This is cut and dry. A better punishment is to summarily force the resignation of those states' party leaders. Punishment should be levelled at the people responsible, not the voters.
By Anonymous, At 29 May, 2008 08:19
Anonymous--
The voters have already been punished. They were denied a fair primary. Whether or not you count the unfair primaries has nothing to do with being fair to the voters--those primaries do not reflect the will of the voters, period. Counting them just gives the A-OK to massive voter suppression. Yay.
And, let's not forget, the "people responsible" are elected officials--and who were they elected by? That's right, voters. The voters will hold them accountable for this debacle, and if they don't, they deserve what they're getting.
And I say this as someone with family in Michigan. Trust me, they all know who to blame, and it's not the candidates or the national party.
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