Preparing for Puerto Rico, and the Michigan question
This Sunday, Puerto Rico will finally have a day in the national political spotlight by holding its Democratic primary. Of course, the contest is less important than Puerto Ricans were hoping just a few weeks ago. After all, countless scenarios were devised in which the island's vote was to be the last-minute decider, perhaps even allowing Clinton to regain the delegate lead; indeed, we believed for a long time that Puerto Rico would allocate its delegate on a winner-take-all basis before plans were clarified in favor of proportional allocation.
Hillary Clinton is widely held as the favorite of this contest given her lead among Hispanics. After all, it is because of the Latino vote that Clinton survived for so long, as they allowed her to win Texas and handily defeat Obama in California. But Puerto Rico voters are a very different voting group than Hispanics living in America and whose set of concerns and economic condition is very different, so it is important to not overstate Clinton's natural advantage. That said, the only poll released until today had Clinton leading by 13% (that was back in April). Today, we got another poll:
Meanwhile, two general election polls were released by SUSA's ongoing series of testing vice-presidential match-ups:
This is obviously a dangerous development for Democrats, as two of the three largest battleground states would then be blue states -- and both are must-win states for them to recapture the White House. Michigan is too much a part of the Democratic electoral college base for the party to afford seeing the state joining the rank of toss-ups.
The delegate mess in which the Democratic Party is still stuck will not help Obama's cause, though the roots of the problem are obviously deeper. Michigan might be one of the only states in which voters partly blame Democrats for their worsening economic condition, as Governor Granholm's approval ratings have plummeted in the past few years. Furthermore, this is a state in which Obama's weakness among blue-collar voters could hurt him if he does not recapture that electorate by the fall, as the union vote is an important one (albeit a declining force) in the state.
Hillary Clinton is widely held as the favorite of this contest given her lead among Hispanics. After all, it is because of the Latino vote that Clinton survived for so long, as they allowed her to win Texas and handily defeat Obama in California. But Puerto Rico voters are a very different voting group than Hispanics living in America and whose set of concerns and economic condition is very different, so it is important to not overstate Clinton's natural advantage. That said, the only poll released until today had Clinton leading by 13% (that was back in April). Today, we got another poll:
- This survey, conducted by Quinlan Rosner Research for Univision, shows her leading 51% to 38% in this race that will allocate 55 delegates. Among the most likely voters, Clinton leads 59% to 40%.
Meanwhile, two general election polls were released by SUSA's ongoing series of testing vice-presidential match-ups:
- In Iowa, Obama leads McCain 47% to 38%. When VPs are added, John Edwards helps the ticket the most but Republicans lead in a number of scenarios. These are based mostly on name recognition so I will not spend more time detailing them.
- In Michigan, meanwhile, McCain is ahead 41% to 37%. Obama only gets 60% of the Democratic vote.
- SUSA only polled Mitt Romney as a Republican VP, as the former Massachusetts Governor can call Michigan as something of a homestate (which he won on January 15th, prolonging his candidacy). The McCain-Romney team lead all Democratic tickets, from a range of +3 if the Dem VP is Edwards to +19 if it is Webb or Kaine, two Virginians who are largely unknown in Michigan.
This is obviously a dangerous development for Democrats, as two of the three largest battleground states would then be blue states -- and both are must-win states for them to recapture the White House. Michigan is too much a part of the Democratic electoral college base for the party to afford seeing the state joining the rank of toss-ups.
The delegate mess in which the Democratic Party is still stuck will not help Obama's cause, though the roots of the problem are obviously deeper. Michigan might be one of the only states in which voters partly blame Democrats for their worsening economic condition, as Governor Granholm's approval ratings have plummeted in the past few years. Furthermore, this is a state in which Obama's weakness among blue-collar voters could hurt him if he does not recapture that electorate by the fall, as the union vote is an important one (albeit a declining force) in the state.
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Eh, that Michigan poll was wonky. It had strangely small percentage of the vote coming from Wayne County, and also showed the candidates polling evenly there, which is fairly ludicrous. Based on the internals, I don't think Obama should be all that worried about Michigan just yet.
By Steve, At 29 May, 2008 07:01
Here my predictions for the last three.
As far as the popular vote:
In order to overtake Obama in the PV, including the votes of FL and assuming that Obama will net AT LEAST a 50,000 vote margin in MT and SD combined (I suspect it will be closer to a 67,000 vote margin), then Clinton must achieve a MINIMUM 214,000 vote plurality in PR. If 1,000,000 Puerto Ricans vote in the DEM primary, then this translates to 60.7% of the vote in order to get a 214,000 vote plurality. And if less voters turn out than 1,000,000, then her percentage must be higher to make up the difference. So, alone the running percentages on Sunday will tell us if Hillary Clinton can take the lead in the PV according to fair standards. Including MI is NOT fair, as Obama was not on the ballot.
So, the percentage to look for on Sunday is anything above 61.7% for Clinton. Anything less than that means that she will not take the PV lead.
That's the math, folks.
By Statistikhengst, At 29 May, 2008 07:42
Having a "don't count the votes of FL. and MI." rally at the behest of the Obama campaign, isn't the way to curry favor with those two states. Whoever thought up that idea should be outed and publicly crucified. Michigan must be counted because there was no requirement for Obama to pull his name off the ballot and now he has clear title to the uncommitted delegates if they choose him. It would be patently unfair to exclude them. I find it funny that only Edwards,Clinton, and Gore were polled in MI. and none of them could help Obama against McCain. Is he that doomed? Maybe McCain will kick the bucket and Ron Paul will be the only republican left standing.
By Anonymous, At 29 May, 2008 08:11
The MI poll is within the margin of error and the party does not even have a nominee yet.
By Anonymous, At 29 May, 2008 08:29
Its PA that Obama can't afford to lose, not MI. If Obama loses MI but wins IA, NM, and CO and keeps the rest of Kerry's states he wins the White House. MI is likely to become the definite swing state in this election but it is not neccessary for Obama.
By Anonymous, At 29 May, 2008 08:39
Once again, a troll named anonymous is bottom feeding here.
Go ahead and seat FL and MI - Clinton will still be at least 150 delegates behind, with no real chance to catch up.
But it is patently unfair to include the MI PV in any calculations as Obama played by the rules and stayed off the ballot. There WAS indeed an agreement among the DEM candidates to take their names off the ballot in MI, but somehow the Clinton team "forgot" to get the paperwork done on time, or some such bulls**t. Either way, you can not do a statistical comparison to between two opponents and include competitions where one was not on the ballot. Only complete idiots try to make such comparisons, and such idiots are not to be taken seriously.
and MI will swing back, mark my words. Ohio as well.
On Sunday, Clinton will come in under 61.7% of the PV in Puerto Rico and will therefore dash her chances of taking the PV lead in any fair scenario.
Obama will sweep MT and SD and then it is: game over.
Finally.
By Statistikhengst, At 29 May, 2008 09:12
No, really. Seriously. Obama's going to win Michigan. You can bank on it. That poll has Obama getting only 60% of the black vote--and he's *still* within 4 points.
MI might be close, but he's going to take it. The region, the demos, and the attitude of the state as a whole are all good for him. Clinton is polling well behind Obama in Michigan, and I'd bet money even *she'd* take the state come November.
MI is like PA, NJ, WA, etc. States that give us a scare six months out, but inevitably return to the fold.
By Steve, At 29 May, 2008 09:14
Clinton simply didn't take her name off the ballot in MI although the other candidates understood that was the fair reading of the pledge. When she was called on it, she took a literalistic approach,s aid the pledge was directed only to campaigning, not remaining on the ballot. The kind of word-parsing that has caused her so much trouble. I don't recall any excuse about 'forgetting' to do that.
There's a morbid fascination with polls that are literally meaningless at this point. IMO, polls have value only if considered on an aggregate basis over a period of time, to demonstrate trends and the short- and long-term impact of significant political events.
Anonymous and other Clinton supporters are taking a great delight in using Obama's polling weakness in certain key demographics as confirmation that he will never gain their support, instead of treating them simply as markers of where he has some work to do. Bizarre, but so is a lot fo other nonsense coming from the Clinton campaign ATM.
By Anonymous, At 29 May, 2008 10:26
Why the hell is PR having a vote or say. How many EV's does PR have??? Zero so Clinton will use any net vote margin to bolster her case but PR does not count.
By Anonymous, At 29 May, 2008 18:56
Zip it Tom. PR counts just as much as the Virgin Islands, and Guam, and the Marianas, all US territories and all American citizens. Whether you like it or not. You Obama fellow are so fond of quoting the rules, when the rule are favorable to your candidate. Well according to he rule PR get to vote. They will get however many delegates as he rules say they get, and their votes count. It is all in the precious rules. Now it will not matter or change a thing. Since Barack will be the nominee for better or worst. All the amateurish punditry here notwithstanding, when the last bell sounds at the last nominating convention, we will have a picture of things to come. My bet is that history will prevail, in a center right country as ours, a northern liberal with a narrow electoral base cannot win. It has not happened yet, and please do not bring up Franklin Roosevelt, that was a different country at a different time, and he was not so much a liberal as he was a populist.
By Anonymous, At 29 May, 2008 22:06
robert_v--
If you think this is a center-right country, you're nuts. On almost every issue, polling puts the country center-left, not center-right. Social security, Iraq, healthcare, the environment, etc. upon etc.
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